Comments on: So I posted on Zygor’s Forum http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/ WoW Leveling Guides, Dailies, Events, Profession, Loremaster, Achievement, Dungeon Guides Mist of Pandaria Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:31:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9 By: DugisGuidehttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-443 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:50:06 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-443 this topic have been debated and discussed a lot, I’d like to stay on topic with this post. To answer it quickly is that the addons are free and the guides is what you’re paying for. We believe that the addon policy is a useless defence for us as it is not the law its just Blizzard’s policy.

its one of the reason we decided not to build our own addon earlier and rather use TourGuide which is obviously a free addon, we have plans to allow other guide makers to distribute our addons for free if they want to, however this is not set in concrete yet.

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By: Spyderhttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-442 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:39:29 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-442 Just curious if anyone has read the rules to add-ons set by blizzard?

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It appears to me that some peeps haven’t read the rules to making an add-on for WoW. What is with these guides trying to make money for add-ons. I understand the need for money but add-ons are supposed to be for the community by the community. If you need money then go program a real program. (My opinion on the matter which amounts to nothing except gold in my eyes.)

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By: Ryan Lee Wadehttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-288 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:28:13 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-288 Dugi, I completely and totally agree that it was a dirty, cruel, hateful thing to do. He had to remove your post just not to get flamed and then close the topic xD. You have THE best guide on WoW period. Daily, leveling, gold, and PvP. That guy ain’t getting a damn penny from me!!! I love all your guides and how professional and varied they are and hope you get past all the legal problems and continue to make the best guides on the web for WoW.

Your customer and guide tester/rater,
Ryan Lee Wade

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By: Bhttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-257 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:25:04 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-257 The real loser here is going to be Tekkub. For a quick buck, his addon will be dead after Zygor’s contract has end. Everyone else will have moved on to newer and better things.

It’s a shame really.

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By: Raventigerhttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-149 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:54:59 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-149 Dugi,

Just wanted to make a quick post to wish you the best. This move by Zygor has affected a lot of guides, both commercial and otherwise.

I’ve never tried your guide, but I have to say I wasn’t impressed with Zygor’s guide, and even less impressed that with the hoops I had to jump through after Zygor ignored my repeated requests for a refund (even though I was asked for that refund well within the allotted time period).

Hopefully this situation will resolve itself in your favor. Don’t give up, and don’t let yourself be bullied.

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By: Jackhttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:36:38 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-144 I am sorry Dugi for all this. I did study law and a close down is always good to cover your butt in case things go to trail. It shows good faith even when you was not able to complete check the proof.

However I got a tip for you do not go after Zygor. This issue is a clear case of greed on the guy that did make this addon.

Point 1: He release the addon like freeware without any licensing. By law its like you give someone that download it full right to do WHATEVER they want with it! It also in some states make him loss all right on controlling it.

Point 2: Like this not was a full function software and needed a product of “first party”. The first party software rights apply to this software. One of the policy’s of the first party and mother software state that they not will allow to make money off it in any way. Include get money for services.

Point 3: Your never did sale his software in anyway or form you did offer it for free download on your site and make the proper renaming to make sure that his name was not put on it in anyway. (and you was in your right to do with it whatever you want).

Point 4: Like you did make changes to the addon over time the addon in question is no longer the addon he did make but a complete new product! (yeah really the laws are outdated on this one still)

Point 5: He can not sale what he does not own… Zygor may think he is smart but Dugi addon is more a clone of that addon and his rights do not apply to it.

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By: Dugihttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-134 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:49:53 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-134 All we had received was a notice from John Cook which in short, “TourGuide is now mine please remove it from your website within 48 hours” which we comply exactly within 48 hours. However we did send a signed counter notice stating that we have good faith and believe that this notice is a mistake. Reason for this is that we were not aware that Zygor have taken over as we have not received any form of notice from Tekkub the original owner as we have only confirmed this news yesterday. sounds fair?

Will you close your business and just because someone sends you a notice that they own certain rights without proof?

Now that tekkub have posted his notice on board, we have since closed all sales for our leveling guide and daily guide although officially we were waiting for someone to actually contact us, with a follow up proof of licencing.

I challenge you to find anyone that we have refused a refund on. they don’t exist.

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By: Jethrohttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-120 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:46:26 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-120 Actually, as a software developer myself, I can assure you that is not true. The author of the software always holds the copyright unless they say otherwise somewhere. Just because they don’t specifically detail any form of license does not mean someone can just take the code and release it bundled with their sold works.

Dugi has disappointed me. Not because he made a mistake, he’s human, and anyone can make a mistake, but because after he basically admitted he was in the wrong he hasn’t made things right. He is still emailing out the files which Zygor appears to now own.

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By: Jackhttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-118 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:19:43 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-118 Ok now here is the big question whatever the outcome of this is… You keep without a working legal addon at the moment (apart that you say you working on your own one… it is not DONE yet).

The addon you using now got legal issues of you got the sale rights or not…

1. Will you return money to clients that buy this addon and after reading all this want there money back? Will you honor your 30 days no good money back agreement?!

2. Will you stop all sales of this addon (I think its use in all your guides?). And like you got legal issues things look to be like the right move is shut down all sales of this guides that include the addon. Well until the addon you say you working on is done!

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By: crystaltechhttp://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/so-i-posted-on-zygors-forum/42/comment-page-1/#comment-116 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:43:02 +0000 http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/blog/?p=42#comment-116 well i still say if blizz gets wind it will block it from being run in game. and since the code is useless with out worldofwarcraft. it will rot, and any attempts to fan update will be shot down. tourguide is dead, move on with something better but make sure its minmal i don’t like bloat.

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